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		<title>By: Jachin Sheehy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jachin Sheehy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting post, Joanna. I develop online products for a newspaper company ... and the questions you pose are relevant, particularly so when considering advertisers incredible bias toward the print media advertising.

I&#039;m not sure that comparing the products (and therefore revenue streams) of the newspaper and music industries is helpful.

Music endures, can be replayed. The purchase has residual value.

News on the other hand, has a very limited shelf life ... and then new news is needed. Newspapers have news value for (at most) a couple of days. News is a service, not a product. (You refered to this in your last post http://www.joannageary.com/2009/01/15/qit-5-the-two-most-valuable-assets-for-online-journalism/ )

Now people do pay for services, all the time ... but the criteria used to determine the value of services is different from that used for concrete products.

Quality, timeliness, availability and delivery, relevance to context, and efficacy become differentiating factors.

The newspaper business is actually the business of _delivering_ news ... journalism and news are not tied to this or any other particular form of delivery service.

The need for news/information delivery services has not diminished. But how we make a profit off delivering news and information needs to change.

The old service (newspapers) are falling out of favour with consumers. Media companies make the mistake of thinking the old format can just be stuffed into a new medium.

The service needs to be revisited:
- What do people need in a news/information service?
- What will people pay for? Alerts? Local relevance?
- How do they want to consume the news? In a lump? Drip fed? Everything? Only what&#039;s relevant to them? Electronically? In some physical form?
- Where do they want the news? At home? In the office? On the move?

It interests me that some people will pay for breaking news updates to their mobile phones...

So many questions. So few real answers. But at least the questions are being discussed.

http://www.ojr.org/ojr/people/gstorch/200901/1631/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting post, Joanna. I develop online products for a newspaper company &#8230; and the questions you pose are relevant, particularly so when considering advertisers incredible bias toward the print media advertising.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that comparing the products (and therefore revenue streams) of the newspaper and music industries is helpful.</p>
<p>Music endures, can be replayed. The purchase has residual value.</p>
<p>News on the other hand, has a very limited shelf life &#8230; and then new news is needed. Newspapers have news value for (at most) a couple of days. News is a service, not a product. (You refered to this in your last post <a href="http://www.joannageary.com/2009/01/15/qit-5-the-two-most-valuable-assets-for-online-journalism/" rel="nofollow">http://www.joannageary.com/2009/01/15/qit-5-the-two-most-valuable-assets-for-online-journalism/</a> )</p>
<p>Now people do pay for services, all the time &#8230; but the criteria used to determine the value of services is different from that used for concrete products.</p>
<p>Quality, timeliness, availability and delivery, relevance to context, and efficacy become differentiating factors.</p>
<p>The newspaper business is actually the business of _delivering_ news &#8230; journalism and news are not tied to this or any other particular form of delivery service.</p>
<p>The need for news/information delivery services has not diminished. But how we make a profit off delivering news and information needs to change.</p>
<p>The old service (newspapers) are falling out of favour with consumers. Media companies make the mistake of thinking the old format can just be stuffed into a new medium.</p>
<p>The service needs to be revisited:<br />
- What do people need in a news/information service?<br />
- What will people pay for? Alerts? Local relevance?<br />
- How do they want to consume the news? In a lump? Drip fed? Everything? Only what&#8217;s relevant to them? Electronically? In some physical form?<br />
- Where do they want the news? At home? In the office? On the move?</p>
<p>It interests me that some people will pay for breaking news updates to their mobile phones&#8230;</p>
<p>So many questions. So few real answers. But at least the questions are being discussed.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ojr.org/ojr/people/gstorch/200901/1631/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ojr.org/ojr/people/gstorch/200901/1631/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Morrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s also possible that there is no way around the problem and we have to accept that we&#039;re moving into a new era of journalism.

We&#039;ve had the coffee house era, the pamphlet era, the newspaper era and maybe now we&#039;re moving into the social era - almost back to the idea of news spreading in coffee houses - but in this case from individual bloggers talking directly about their own story.

Instead of several newspapers employing journalists to tell stories and spread news - we&#039;re moving to a time when people tell their own stories in their own space and those stories are in turn spread by search engines and aggregators.

Each blogger, twitterer, podcaster or even message board contributor could make small amounts of revenue from their story in their space – others could make slightly larger amounts of money by sharing the stories of others in their space.

But it’s all much more social, much more democratic and on a much larger scale globally but smaller scale in terms of where the stories are held and produced.

Local newspapers could still exist as papers of record – possibly on a public service model – reporting on local politics and big issues in each area – maybe part funded by advertising and part funded by a ‘local media tax’.

Just an idea</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s also possible that there is no way around the problem and we have to accept that we&#8217;re moving into a new era of journalism.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve had the coffee house era, the pamphlet era, the newspaper era and maybe now we&#8217;re moving into the social era &#8211; almost back to the idea of news spreading in coffee houses &#8211; but in this case from individual bloggers talking directly about their own story.</p>
<p>Instead of several newspapers employing journalists to tell stories and spread news &#8211; we&#8217;re moving to a time when people tell their own stories in their own space and those stories are in turn spread by search engines and aggregators.</p>
<p>Each blogger, twitterer, podcaster or even message board contributor could make small amounts of revenue from their story in their space – others could make slightly larger amounts of money by sharing the stories of others in their space.</p>
<p>But it’s all much more social, much more democratic and on a much larger scale globally but smaller scale in terms of where the stories are held and produced.</p>
<p>Local newspapers could still exist as papers of record – possibly on a public service model – reporting on local politics and big issues in each area – maybe part funded by advertising and part funded by a ‘local media tax’.</p>
<p>Just an idea</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Sharples</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Sharples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My own recent experience is that video news releases are complementing written ones on media office web sites. These services have to be paid for by media relations teams and can be expensive. But of course journalists, increasingly targeted in several interactive forms from several angles, don&#039;t have to pay. 

So we come to the thorny issue of subscription fees for the supply of &#039;advanced&#039; content, and when that arises the journalist looks at their budget, remembers their licence fee and slopes off to look at the BBC.  

That or they remain comfortable in the knowledge that multiple sources will hand them their stories pre-packed, so to speak, in a multiple of ways. But then no-one offers anything different to another.

Blogging is an answer, as it offers scope for free interpretation, but gets to be a problem when opinion takes precedence over fact. Can a news story be blogged if it doesn&#039;t come with an opinion to make it different? We come full circle to the old-fashioned contacts book in that case... it&#039;s just making the effort to make the most of them and engage in some good old digging!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My own recent experience is that video news releases are complementing written ones on media office web sites. These services have to be paid for by media relations teams and can be expensive. But of course journalists, increasingly targeted in several interactive forms from several angles, don&#8217;t have to pay. </p>
<p>So we come to the thorny issue of subscription fees for the supply of &#8216;advanced&#8217; content, and when that arises the journalist looks at their budget, remembers their licence fee and slopes off to look at the BBC.  </p>
<p>That or they remain comfortable in the knowledge that multiple sources will hand them their stories pre-packed, so to speak, in a multiple of ways. But then no-one offers anything different to another.</p>
<p>Blogging is an answer, as it offers scope for free interpretation, but gets to be a problem when opinion takes precedence over fact. Can a news story be blogged if it doesn&#8217;t come with an opinion to make it different? We come full circle to the old-fashioned contacts book in that case&#8230; it&#8217;s just making the effort to make the most of them and engage in some good old digging!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Booth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Booth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice ramble Rob, I especially like the idea of &quot;Perhaps newspapers need to do the same, get back to basics of reporting on the conversation for the dispossessed majority and telling truth to power. Not everyone has access to the web, or the disposition to read online - are these the niches to target?&quot;

Increasingly though I&#039;ve been thinking about what is the point of all this journalism.  Less and less of it is required to give people access to information, certainly as the web because more universal and digital media skills improve. 

I think that publicly funded media needs to come up with a much clearer answer to the question of how does that money advance public good.  That in turn challenges notions of impartiality.  Why, I&#039;m wondering, isn&#039;t the BBC increasingly expected to work to improve the places they serve, rather than simply reflect them.  After all communications money that is spent by the police press office is partly intended to be used to make people safer.  Why are their different rules for public money spent on communication through the BBC? (I understand why their used to be different rules - but how much longer can we justify that)

This of course could be a way into earning money for all sorts of media - do something which people will value because it makes their world tangibly better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice ramble Rob, I especially like the idea of &#8220;Perhaps newspapers need to do the same, get back to basics of reporting on the conversation for the dispossessed majority and telling truth to power. Not everyone has access to the web, or the disposition to read online &#8211; are these the niches to target?&#8221;</p>
<p>Increasingly though I&#8217;ve been thinking about what is the point of all this journalism.  Less and less of it is required to give people access to information, certainly as the web because more universal and digital media skills improve. </p>
<p>I think that publicly funded media needs to come up with a much clearer answer to the question of how does that money advance public good.  That in turn challenges notions of impartiality.  Why, I&#8217;m wondering, isn&#8217;t the BBC increasingly expected to work to improve the places they serve, rather than simply reflect them.  After all communications money that is spent by the police press office is partly intended to be used to make people safer.  Why are their different rules for public money spent on communication through the BBC? (I understand why their used to be different rules &#8211; but how much longer can we justify that)</p>
<p>This of course could be a way into earning money for all sorts of media &#8211; do something which people will value because it makes their world tangibly better.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find Rob Benson&#039;s comments very interesting, especially where he writes about regional being replaced with local, passing on valued information and engaging with the community, and the reporter becoming a blogger.

This is exactly how I started in journalism, so maybe what we are seeing is local and regional newspapers coming full circle with the advantage of interactive technology. I used to write a weekly column, which was essentially a blog before the internet was dreamt of. Within the limits of technology at the time, we did engage in conversation and used our privileged position for good (and won a prestigious award as a result). I think that finding that role for local and regional newspapers is now even easier, but only if the people involved understand and master the technology.

I think the key is to be reliable and trustworthy and to give away as much as is financially viable. The more you give free, the more people will come back, and that means you can foster real relationships with your audience. And the more you allow your audience to engage with you, and give them a voice, the more you remain relevant to them. It may seem obvious, but it&#039;s amazing how many publications get it wrong, especially on the digital side, where audience expectations for interactivity are even greater.

There is no magic solution and each publication will need to look at their audience, their purpose and resources. But I truly believe that all media are complementary, and just as TV didn&#039;t do for radio, so the internet won&#039;t spell the end of newspapers.

It really comes down to the fundamental of journalism - know your audience and know your medium. Any newspaper that does will survive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find Rob Benson&#8217;s comments very interesting, especially where he writes about regional being replaced with local, passing on valued information and engaging with the community, and the reporter becoming a blogger.</p>
<p>This is exactly how I started in journalism, so maybe what we are seeing is local and regional newspapers coming full circle with the advantage of interactive technology. I used to write a weekly column, which was essentially a blog before the internet was dreamt of. Within the limits of technology at the time, we did engage in conversation and used our privileged position for good (and won a prestigious award as a result). I think that finding that role for local and regional newspapers is now even easier, but only if the people involved understand and master the technology.</p>
<p>I think the key is to be reliable and trustworthy and to give away as much as is financially viable. The more you give free, the more people will come back, and that means you can foster real relationships with your audience. And the more you allow your audience to engage with you, and give them a voice, the more you remain relevant to them. It may seem obvious, but it&#8217;s amazing how many publications get it wrong, especially on the digital side, where audience expectations for interactivity are even greater.</p>
<p>There is no magic solution and each publication will need to look at their audience, their purpose and resources. But I truly believe that all media are complementary, and just as TV didn&#8217;t do for radio, so the internet won&#8217;t spell the end of newspapers.</p>
<p>It really comes down to the fundamental of journalism &#8211; know your audience and know your medium. Any newspaper that does will survive.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the post, it&#039;s a thought provoking area. It got me thinking about newspapers, their role in society, relation to business, and how it&#039;s all a bit mad at the moment.

Blogging etc has lots in common with (the ideals of) journalism. It represents a collection of varying views, all of which are (fundamentally) subjective and have different contexts. It ties in with real issues that matter to the individual, and to which some people can relate. And it is fearless and challenging and brave.

The &#039;commoditisation&#039; of journalism has a long history, from since 1896 with the arrival of the Daily Mail and the reliance on advertising income for newspaper publication. From this point on, what constituted news was influenced by the concept of a market that, as industrialisation demanded, was homogenised and defined by those in power.

For example, a Woman section (lazy example, there could be others) would have articles about health, beauty etc - these are things that this market segment were to be interested in, and the journalist absorbs these ideals into what constitutes objectivity (a problematic concept) on behalf of their audience.

Citizen journalists (in principle) challenge this concept by realigning the conversation, and highlighting the variety of views that exist.

The challenge for newspapers/journalism is to identify what they do and what constitutes value - and dismantle a century of commercialism (although it is doing a good job of dismantling itself).

And if that means the reporter becoming a blogger, is that a bad thing? If you are retelling the conversation, passing on decisions that affect people, and campaigning on their behalf, then isn&#039;t this OK? If it adds value...?

Or if it means a complete upheaval for newspaper publishing, with regional replaced with local, passing on valued information, and engaging with the community, would that be a bad thing?

And let&#039;s not forget the marketing concept of how to react to challenging conditions - identify your niche and realign your business. It&#039;s been the advice to UK manufacturing for a while.

Perhaps newspapers need to do the same, get back to basics of reporting on the conversation for the dispossessed majority and telling truth to power. Not everyone has access to the web, or the disposition to read online - are these the niches to target?

As for a business model, newspapers can deliver real value if they engage in the (on and offline) conversation and use their privileged position for the power of good. They are of the people and there will always be an income stream for such channels to market. But it means being brave in the face of commercial opposition. Some papers are doing this well, I would add.

Rambling on now, would be interested to hear your views. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post, it&#8217;s a thought provoking area. It got me thinking about newspapers, their role in society, relation to business, and how it&#8217;s all a bit mad at the moment.</p>
<p>Blogging etc has lots in common with (the ideals of) journalism. It represents a collection of varying views, all of which are (fundamentally) subjective and have different contexts. It ties in with real issues that matter to the individual, and to which some people can relate. And it is fearless and challenging and brave.</p>
<p>The &#8216;commoditisation&#8217; of journalism has a long history, from since 1896 with the arrival of the Daily Mail and the reliance on advertising income for newspaper publication. From this point on, what constituted news was influenced by the concept of a market that, as industrialisation demanded, was homogenised and defined by those in power.</p>
<p>For example, a Woman section (lazy example, there could be others) would have articles about health, beauty etc &#8211; these are things that this market segment were to be interested in, and the journalist absorbs these ideals into what constitutes objectivity (a problematic concept) on behalf of their audience.</p>
<p>Citizen journalists (in principle) challenge this concept by realigning the conversation, and highlighting the variety of views that exist.</p>
<p>The challenge for newspapers/journalism is to identify what they do and what constitutes value &#8211; and dismantle a century of commercialism (although it is doing a good job of dismantling itself).</p>
<p>And if that means the reporter becoming a blogger, is that a bad thing? If you are retelling the conversation, passing on decisions that affect people, and campaigning on their behalf, then isn&#8217;t this OK? If it adds value&#8230;?</p>
<p>Or if it means a complete upheaval for newspaper publishing, with regional replaced with local, passing on valued information, and engaging with the community, would that be a bad thing?</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s not forget the marketing concept of how to react to challenging conditions &#8211; identify your niche and realign your business. It&#8217;s been the advice to UK manufacturing for a while.</p>
<p>Perhaps newspapers need to do the same, get back to basics of reporting on the conversation for the dispossessed majority and telling truth to power. Not everyone has access to the web, or the disposition to read online &#8211; are these the niches to target?</p>
<p>As for a business model, newspapers can deliver real value if they engage in the (on and offline) conversation and use their privileged position for the power of good. They are of the people and there will always be an income stream for such channels to market. But it means being brave in the face of commercial opposition. Some papers are doing this well, I would add.</p>
<p>Rambling on now, would be interested to hear your views.</p>
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		<title>By: Joanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 15:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi dp,

Interesting idea. I see what you&#039;re getting at, as tying the content with the distribution method has been the traditional way for media to make money.

However, I think perhaps an ISP developing an Internet-wide advertising delivery system may not be the answer. 

It may be that I misunderstand what you&#039;re suggesting, but I&#039;m stumped as to how it might be practically achieved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi dp,</p>
<p>Interesting idea. I see what you&#8217;re getting at, as tying the content with the distribution method has been the traditional way for media to make money.</p>
<p>However, I think perhaps an ISP developing an Internet-wide advertising delivery system may not be the answer. </p>
<p>It may be that I misunderstand what you&#8217;re suggesting, but I&#8217;m stumped as to how it might be practically achieved.</p>
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		<title>By: dp</title>
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		<dc:creator>dp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 15:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cable television. If I am paying my telephone/cable/satellite service £N/month, and they deliver diverse content within that fee, it stands to reason that news media could support themselves via any of those channels. Isn&#039;t this the way it works already?

If web advertisers were paying fees to ISPs instead of individual websites you&#039;d have an alternative revenue for the ISPs to support news delivery at no cost to the consumer. 

How would you get this model adopted?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cable television. If I am paying my telephone/cable/satellite service £N/month, and they deliver diverse content within that fee, it stands to reason that news media could support themselves via any of those channels. Isn&#8217;t this the way it works already?</p>
<p>If web advertisers were paying fees to ISPs instead of individual websites you&#8217;d have an alternative revenue for the ISPs to support news delivery at no cost to the consumer. </p>
<p>How would you get this model adopted?</p>
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