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	<title>Comments on: A &#8220;dangerous question&#8221;: Why don&#8217;t reporters write headlines?</title>
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		<title>By: Katchooo</title>
		<link>http://www.joannageary.com/2008/08/01/a-dangerous-question-why-dont-reporters-write-headlines/comment-page-1/#comment-722</link>
		<dc:creator>Katchooo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 10:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And on the subject of great headlines... I&#039;ve just written a retraction after discovering a reporter suggested one of the all-time greats: http://subsstandards.wordpress.com/2008/08/09/should-reporters-write-headlines-a-retraction/

It&#039;s the headline that&#039;s important not who writes it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And on the subject of great headlines&#8230; I&#8217;ve just written a retraction after discovering a reporter suggested one of the all-time greats: <a href="http://subsstandards.wordpress.com/2008/08/09/should-reporters-write-headlines-a-retraction/" rel="nofollow">http://subsstandards.wordpress.com/2008/08/09/should-reporters-write-headlines-a-retraction/</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s the headline that&#8217;s important not who writes it.</p>
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		<title>By: Should reporters write headlines? A retraction&#8230; &#171; Subs&#8217; standards</title>
		<link>http://www.joannageary.com/2008/08/01/a-dangerous-question-why-dont-reporters-write-headlines/comment-page-1/#comment-721</link>
		<dc:creator>Should reporters write headlines? A retraction&#8230; &#171; Subs&#8217; standards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 10:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 9, 2008 &#183; No Comments  After the recent interesting debate on Twitter started by Joanna Geary of the Birmingham Post, I automatically took the subs&#8217; side, as in: Oi Reporters! No! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 9, 2008 &middot; No Comments  After the recent interesting debate on Twitter started by Joanna Geary of the Birmingham Post, I automatically took the subs&#8217; side, as in: Oi Reporters! No! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Why the world needs subs &#171; Subs&#8217; standards</title>
		<link>http://www.joannageary.com/2008/08/01/a-dangerous-question-why-dont-reporters-write-headlines/comment-page-1/#comment-723</link>
		<dc:creator>Why the world needs subs &#171; Subs&#8217; standards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] don&#8217;t write their own headlines. Various reasons were put forward (read some of &#8216;em here), with one reporter saying: So they&#8217;ll spend money an extra staff member [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] don&#8217;t write their own headlines. Various reasons were put forward (read some of &#8216;em here), with one reporter saying: So they&#8217;ll spend money an extra staff member [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Walker</title>
		<link>http://www.joannageary.com/2008/08/01/a-dangerous-question-why-dont-reporters-write-headlines/comment-page-1/#comment-720</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a lot more to a decent headline than decent spelling, punctuation and grammar. A headline has to be great, or at least good, or very few people will read the story. Plenty of reporters, even the great ones, are not great writers. Writing and reporting are not the same thing.

It&#039;s a &quot;dangerous question&quot; because reporters writing their own headlines would mean fewer subs being employed, but as Paul Groves says, that doesn&#039;t mean it won&#039;t get asked and, one day, answered!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a lot more to a decent headline than decent spelling, punctuation and grammar. A headline has to be great, or at least good, or very few people will read the story. Plenty of reporters, even the great ones, are not great writers. Writing and reporting are not the same thing.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a &#8220;dangerous question&#8221; because reporters writing their own headlines would mean fewer subs being employed, but as Paul Groves says, that doesn&#8217;t mean it won&#8217;t get asked and, one day, answered!</p>
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		<title>By: One Man and His Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.joannageary.com/2008/08/01/a-dangerous-question-why-dont-reporters-write-headlines/comment-page-1/#comment-719</link>
		<dc:creator>One Man and His Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 09:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Journalists Versus Sub-Editors: It&#039;s War...&lt;/strong&gt;

One of the delights of the social media age is seeing the dark secret of our trade dragged out of the newsroom and into the unblinking gaze of the blogging world. Take, for example, the relationship between reporters and sub-editors.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Journalists Versus Sub-Editors: It&#8217;s War&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>One of the delights of the social media age is seeing the dark secret of our trade dragged out of the newsroom and into the unblinking gaze of the blogging world. Take, for example, the relationship between reporters and sub-editors&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Mabbett</title>
		<link>http://www.joannageary.com/2008/08/01/a-dangerous-question-why-dont-reporters-write-headlines/comment-page-1/#comment-718</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Mabbett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You missed this one: http://twitter.com/pigsonthewing/statuses/873623705

though you did reply to it at the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You missed this one: <a href="http://twitter.com/pigsonthewing/statuses/873623705" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/pigsonthewing/statuses/873623705</a></p>
<p>though you did reply to it at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: joannageary</title>
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		<dc:creator>joannageary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duly followed! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duly followed! <img src='http://www.joannageary.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: @Katchooo</title>
		<link>http://www.joannageary.com/2008/08/01/a-dangerous-question-why-dont-reporters-write-headlines/comment-page-1/#comment-716</link>
		<dc:creator>@Katchooo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS And that would be &#039;know&#039; not &#039;now&#039;. Sorry, can&#039;t help myself. x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS And that would be &#8216;know&#8217; not &#8216;now&#8217;. Sorry, can&#8217;t help myself. x</p>
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		<title>By: @Katchooo</title>
		<link>http://www.joannageary.com/2008/08/01/a-dangerous-question-why-dont-reporters-write-headlines/comment-page-1/#comment-715</link>
		<dc:creator>@Katchooo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Joanna, I&#039;m a print and web sub who&#039;s been replying to your tweets on this but think I&#039;m caught in the whirlpool of following / not being followed.

From  experience, I&#039;d say the client sites I&#039;ve worked on are less subbed because time has not been booked into the production process to allow for even a basic check. Result: unclean copy, dulls lead-ins, unchecked facts, potential legal issues, etc etc... Why is subbing suddenly seeming unimportant when the need for it still exists - esp with recent online libel wins? Plus, outside publishing, people are usually unaware of subs and sub-editing. One comms office I now sent their mag home with a receptionist to proofread on the bus. Sigh.

Re headlines, it&#039;s not just down to page layout, getting a balance of headlines, or fitting the house style or SEO needs, etc. Sometimes subs find the point buried half way down a story, a slight rewrite ensues and where the body goes then so must the head follow.

I also agree (having done both) that writing and subbing are totally different skill and mindsets. No reason why a reporter, or a sub, can&#039;t be flexible and do both - but the fact is some writers don&#039;t want to know the ins and outs of semi-colon usage while some subs would freak at the thought of interviewing a Burger Boy.

Now how do I get onto your tweet radar, lady!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joanna, I&#8217;m a print and web sub who&#8217;s been replying to your tweets on this but think I&#8217;m caught in the whirlpool of following / not being followed.</p>
<p>From  experience, I&#8217;d say the client sites I&#8217;ve worked on are less subbed because time has not been booked into the production process to allow for even a basic check. Result: unclean copy, dulls lead-ins, unchecked facts, potential legal issues, etc etc&#8230; Why is subbing suddenly seeming unimportant when the need for it still exists &#8211; esp with recent online libel wins? Plus, outside publishing, people are usually unaware of subs and sub-editing. One comms office I now sent their mag home with a receptionist to proofread on the bus. Sigh.</p>
<p>Re headlines, it&#8217;s not just down to page layout, getting a balance of headlines, or fitting the house style or SEO needs, etc. Sometimes subs find the point buried half way down a story, a slight rewrite ensues and where the body goes then so must the head follow.</p>
<p>I also agree (having done both) that writing and subbing are totally different skill and mindsets. No reason why a reporter, or a sub, can&#8217;t be flexible and do both &#8211; but the fact is some writers don&#8217;t want to know the ins and outs of semi-colon usage while some subs would freak at the thought of interviewing a Burger Boy.</p>
<p>Now how do I get onto your tweet radar, lady!</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is the point I said above - that the journalist would write a completely inside-the-story headline which might not mean much to the average reader.

Subs pride themselves on headlines that will inform the reader to the extent they might not need to read the story itself. (Reporters find this rather frustrating. They like their story to be necessary reading, even if you have to read the story to understand the headline.)

I say this btw as someone who&#039;s never really been a sub - always a reporter/writer and now editor. Sure, I write my own &quot;headlines&quot; for blog posts. (And sometimes it&#039;s really successful, or at least I&#039;m proud of it: &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/07/11/o2_opens_brewery_forgets_bottles.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;O2 opens brewery, forgets bottles&quot;&lt;/a&gt; for the iPhone debacle.)

Could subs report? Backbenches do all the time, pulling together wire stuff on breaking news. Though these days they&#039;d do well to use Twitter etc too. The scope of subbing is changing, just as that of reporting is. But headlines? It&#039;s a war zone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is the point I said above &#8211; that the journalist would write a completely inside-the-story headline which might not mean much to the average reader.</p>
<p>Subs pride themselves on headlines that will inform the reader to the extent they might not need to read the story itself. (Reporters find this rather frustrating. They like their story to be necessary reading, even if you have to read the story to understand the headline.)</p>
<p>I say this btw as someone who&#8217;s never really been a sub &#8211; always a reporter/writer and now editor. Sure, I write my own &#8220;headlines&#8221; for blog posts. (And sometimes it&#8217;s really successful, or at least I&#8217;m proud of it: &#8220;<a href="http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/07/11/o2_opens_brewery_forgets_bottles.html" rel="nofollow">O2 opens brewery, forgets bottles&#8221;</a> for the iPhone debacle.)</p>
<p>Could subs report? Backbenches do all the time, pulling together wire stuff on breaking news. Though these days they&#8217;d do well to use Twitter etc too. The scope of subbing is changing, just as that of reporting is. But headlines? It&#8217;s a war zone.</p>
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